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« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2010, 01:52:57 PM »

All I can find is a DMV safety tip but not a law* against riding in the crosswalk; it's appears to be same as riding on the sideway (also not illegal).



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Fast Facts DL 37 Safety Tips for Bicyclists and Motorists

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2.  Using Crosswalks
Approach the intersection staying on the right. Stop and either cross as a pedestrian in the crosswalk, or make a 90 degree left turn and proceed as if you were coming from the right. If there is a signal light, wait for the green or WALK signal before crossing. Yield to pedestrians in the crosswalk.

However, it is illegal for a car to drive on a bike lane.


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21202.  (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations:

(1) When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction.

(2) When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.

(3) When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes) that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge, subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this section, a "substandard width lane" is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.

(4) When approaching a place where a right turn is authorized.

(b) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway of a highway, which highway carries traffic in one direction only and has two or more marked traffic lanes, may ride as near the left-hand curb or edge of that roadway as practicable.

Amended Sec. 4, Ch. 674, Stats. 1996. Effective January 1, 1997.
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« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2010, 09:37:16 PM »

By that, ahem, "logic", if I see you crossing against the light, you should be fine with me gunning my 33,000lb box truck and "asserting my right of way".

Do you ever bother to read before posting?  What part of this:

Obviously, if the drivers are trying to kill bicyclists, then the drivers are in the wrong.  But trying to kill a bicyclist is one thing; accidentally, while obeying the traffic laws, killing a bicyclist who is violating the traffic laws is quite another.

are you incapable of grasping?
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« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2010, 10:16:22 PM »

Every time I have had to take the written driving test (and, therefore, studied for it) -- which I haven't had to do in years; my perfectly clean DMV record has evidently been enough to warrant the reissuance of my license without my having to take the test -- it has been illegal for bicyclists to ride in crosswalks.  They have been required to walk their bicycles wehen using crosswalks as pedestrians.  If that law has been changed since then (which it may have; California changes all sorts of laws with dizzying frequency), it should not have been.

The fundamental points remain the same.  First, most bicyclists routinely violate a host of trafic laws.  How often, for example, when you see a bicyclist change lanes or make a turn do you see her or him use a turn signal?  How many times have those of us who -- gasp! -- drive find ourselves confronted with a bicyclist who, while waiting at a red light, plants her- or himself several feet out in the perpendicular roadway, thereby preventing us from making the right turn which we have the legal right to make?  How many times have we all seen bicyclists ride two or three abreast rather than single-file, thereby preventing automobiles from passing them?  Etc., etc., etc.

Second, unless and until bicyclists are required to register their vehicles and display license plates on them, they simply have nothing to complain about.  Until then, they are mere guests on the roadways.

Where I live, just about every major street has bicycle lanes.  But do the bicyclists stick to those lanes?  No.  They ride in the automibile lanes.  They ride on the sidewalks.  They weave in and out of traffic without using turn signals.  They grab cars stopped at red lights so that when the lights change, they won't have to bother using their own power to accelerate.  And on and on and on.

That is not to say that only bicyclists are ever at fault.  On the contrary, there are many drivers of automobiles who behave with reckless disregard of the bicyclists -- even the perfectly law-abiding bicyclists, of whom there are indisputably some -- around them.  My bicycle is at this moment a wreck.  Our housemate was riding it, perfectly legally in a bicycle lane, when some asshole driver smacked into him.  He was sent flying over the strip of vegetation that separates the sidewalk from the curb and over the sidewalk itself.  Had it not been for the other strip of vegetation, the one that separates the sidewalk from the adjacent houses, he might well have been killed.  And the driver didn't even bother to stop.

But on the whole, my experience shows me that bicylists are far more likely to flout the traffic laws than are drivers.  (Except for laws against speeding, which the bicyclists generally cannot violate, no matter how much they want to.)  And they, on the whole, have a strong tendency toward the self-righteous claim that if they get hit by a driver, it must be the driver's fault, no matter what the circumstances.

Again, when bicyclists are required to register their bicycles -- and, for that matter, obtain licenses to operate them on public roadways -- I will entertain their complaints more seriously.  Until then, they should just shut up and revel in how good they've already got it.
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« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2010, 11:41:18 PM »

All I can find is a DMV safety tip but not a law* against riding in the crosswalk; it's appears to be same as riding on the sideway (also not illegal).

It is law here in the ACT that you can't ride across a pedestrian crossing.

Naturally, like riding a bicycle without wearing a helmet it is very rarely policed.  You'd have to have really pissed off a copper for him to go you for either.  And if you were the driver of the car, I seriously doubt that you could argue your way out of a jail sentence if you told the Court that you hit the rider because they should have stopped and were breaking the law.

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« Reply #49 on: March 10, 2010, 04:25:16 PM »


Again, when bicyclists are required to register their bicycles -- and, for that matter, obtain licenses to operate them on public roadways -- I will entertain their complaints more seriously.  Until then, they should just shut up and revel in how good they've already got it.

Don't hate me for my freedoms! Wink

As an inner city cycler, my opinion is: if I thought it would be safer to walk my bike on the crosswalk, rather than riding it in it, I would do so.       However, as in operating an auto, I find that if I'm moving at a higher speed, then I can move out of harm's way that much quicker.

Like the Airforce motto: Speed is life.
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« Reply #50 on: March 10, 2010, 04:32:37 PM »

I enjoyed Harold and Kumar and Pineapple Express. And of course most of the Cheech and Chong movies.

Nah, only the first Cheech and Chong movie was any good.       Pinapple Express was the stoner movie, I was thinking of when I made my "I don't get post...".
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« Reply #51 on: March 10, 2010, 05:05:30 PM »

My route to and from home tends to get used a lot by tossers practicing for the Tour de France or summat.

You haven't lived until you've driven for half an hour down a windy mountain road at 10 kph behind some cunt of a cyclist who insists on riding in the middle of the lane instead of moving to the edge so that you can pass him... and then when I open the window and politely ask him to move to the side I get the finger.

Oh the temptation... and if he was nudged off the edge in just the right place they might never find the body...  Wink
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« Reply #52 on: March 10, 2010, 05:23:25 PM »

Now, here that is against the law.
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« Reply #53 on: March 10, 2010, 05:26:49 PM »

What... nudging them off the edge?  Wink
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« Reply #54 on: March 10, 2010, 05:43:47 PM »

You think that's bad...I nearly mowed down a bunch a while back, because they were taking up about 3/4 of the road I was on.  It was CT route 165, a winding 2-lane with no shoulders.  I missed killing them by less than a foot.  I was driving a 12,000+lb F-550 rollback wrecker.
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« Reply #55 on: March 10, 2010, 05:57:10 PM »

It's better when you're on a motorbike...

Pull alongside them, watch them strugle up the hill....

Then slap them into the ditch...
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« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2010, 08:31:13 AM »

I don't get this ad.

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